Questions about SD22 idle

SD diesels were widely available in the US in the 1981-86 Datsun/Nissan 720 pickups, and in Canada through '87 in the D21 pickup.

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Eplascen92
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Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by Eplascen92 » 4 years ago

Hi there, been lurking for a little while. Pleased to meet you guys. Recently I was in the market for a nice diesel pickup. I was looking for something in the 20k range and while looking at a Dodge pickup, I saw a listing for a Datsun. $900 later, I drag home a 1981 Datsun king cab.

Questions I have are that the thing idles high, I did whittle it down to the smoke screw. I will adjust it but my other concern is that while driving the truck, it accelerates through the gears on its own. It's almost like it's running away but it stops as soon as I go into neutral. I would like to hear some advice as to what is going on.

Thanks in advance

waynosworld
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by waynosworld » 4 years ago

Eplascen92 wrote:Hi there, been lurking for a little while. Pleased to meet you guys. Recently I was in the market for a nice diesel pickup. I was looking for something in the 20k range and while looking at a Dodge pickup, I saw a listing for a Datsun. $900 later, I drag home a 1981 Datsun king cab.

Questions I have are that the thing idles high, I did whittle it down to the smoke screw. I will adjust it but my other concern is that while driving the truck, it accelerates through the gears on its own. It's almost like it's running away but it stops as soon as I go into neutral. I would like to hear some advice as to what is going on.

Thanks in advance
Welcome, where are you located?

Two things, there is an idle adjustment screw on the throttle body(carb looking thing), and you need to check the vacuum line that comes off the throttle body, if that line is cracked or has any type of vacuum leak it will do what you are describing.
Does it blow a lot of black smoke at an idle?
How about when driving it, does it blow black smoke?
I would not mess with the smoke screw a lot till you know everything else is as it should be.
I know the voices are not real,
but they have some really good ideas.

Eplascen92
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by Eplascen92 » 4 years ago

I'm in Greeley Colorado, north east of Denver. I will look into those two things. I get no black really at all really, just white when it's stone cold. What do I do to the screw on the throttle body?

waynosworld
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by waynosworld » 4 years ago

Eplascen92 wrote:I'm in Greeley Colorado, north east of Denver. I will look into those two things. I get no black really at all really, just white when it's stone cold. What do I do to the screw on the throttle body?
It is just an idle adjustment screw(10mm), basically it controls how much air the engine gets, less air, lower idle speed, but everything else needs to be in serviceable condition, if that vacuum line going from the throttle body to the injection pump is cracked or leaks for any reason, the rack will think the pedal is being pressed, but since it is not being pressed it will only rev as high as the amount of air it can get threw the closed butterfly valve in the throttle body.
You have to understand that these diesel engine injection pumps are controlled by vacuum, if there is a leak in the vacuum line between the throttle body and the injection pump things will not work properly, as the vacuum from the venturi in the throttle body pulls the injection pump back to the idle position.
I hope you understand what I am trying to say, you should pull the cover off the throttle body and look down the hole, you will see the butterfly valve and a small venturi/hole, that venturi/hole creates a lot of vacuum when the engine is running and the butterfly is closed, it pulls air thru that venturi very fast creating vacuum, when the butterfly valve opens(press on pedal) the air gets past the venturi as the butterfly valve is open and then the venturi creates less vacuum, less vacuum, more fuel and more air as the butterfly valve is open, when the butterfly valve is all the way open, there is hardly any vacuum being created by the venturi, so the injection pump rack moves to the richest position.
I know the voices are not real,
but they have some really good ideas.

Eplascen92
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by Eplascen92 » 4 years ago

I appreciate the help, I went through the vacuum lines and replaced them along with a governor diaphragm and now she runs cherry. Fluctuating idle and white smoke went away completely.

waynosworld
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by waynosworld » 4 years ago

Eplascen92 wrote:I appreciate the help, I went through the vacuum lines and replaced them along with a governor diaphragm and now she runs cherry. Fluctuating idle and white smoke went away completely.
I am happy that I could help you, them vacuum lines and that diaphragm are important, I didn't think to mention it, but if has a crack, it would cause the same issue.
Another thing about the diaphragm is that the old ones get dried out and and stiff, now that you have a new one, it may over all be more responsive as it is more flexible.
I believe that cod liver oil should be added to the injection pump side of the diaphragm, maybe someone else will chime in on this subject, I myself might learn something.
Mine puffs white smoke out when I first start it in the morning when it is cold outside, not so much in the summer, what counts is that when it quits missing when first started, the white smoke should also go away, as that smoke is un-burnt fuel.
Now that you have that issue figured out, if it blows a lot of black smoke, you may have to put the smoke screw back where it was if you adjusted it before.
I know the voices are not real,
but they have some really good ideas.

plenzen
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by plenzen » 4 years ago

And just in case your not sure.

Out is less in is more with that smoke screw.
Tiny TINY adjustments make a huge difference.

1/4 to 1/8th turns at a time is all it needs.

Good to hear it's running again.

I'm kinda glad I don't have that "device" on mine.

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Eplascen92
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by Eplascen92 » 4 years ago

I'm extremely happy, it only smokes slightly on startup and at wide open throttle. I've been daily driving it roughly 60 miles since last Friday. While it isn't as plush as my 2008 civic, it gets the job done with a little worse fuel economy. I'll play around with it and see if I could get the smoke down a bit.



Thank you guys for all your knowledge, it is much appreciated.

waynosworld
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by waynosworld » 4 years ago

plenzen wrote:And just in case your not sure.

Out is less in is more with that smoke screw.
Tiny TINY adjustments make a huge difference.

1/4 to 1/8th turns at a time is all it needs.

Good to hear it's running again.

I'm kinda glad I don't have that "device" on mine.

P
I would have to agree with this statement, the racks total throw is 9/16ths of an inch, and that includes the fuel cutoff position which takes up quite a bit of the movement, so even a 32nd of an inch can be a 10 percent or more difference at the rack itself, that is a lot.
I know the voices are not real,
but they have some really good ideas.

Nissan_Ranger
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by Nissan_Ranger » 3 years ago

I use power steering fluid on my governor diaphragm. That's been in it for almost 13 years now and everything still works fine...
The old 'six gun' was as popular as the cell phone in its time and just as annoying when it went off in the Theater.

handcannon
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Re: Questions about SD22 idle

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Post by handcannon » 3 years ago

I'm just wondering what you used for power steering fluid. Most older power steering units used auto transmission fluid. Red, and corrosive to many items, paint being one of them. I'm assuming you used the clear stuff that is sold as power steering fluid.

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