Oil cooler (heat exchanger) woes

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Oil cooler (heat exchanger) woes

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[I originally wrote this in Aug-2004 in another venue; now I am reposting it here. I'm splicing several posts together here.]

The day after I flushed the cooling system, I found that the oil cooler is leaking from what appears to be a casting seam.

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Pic shows some greenish corrosion where the seam has been weeping coolant for some period. There is no obvious counterpart in the inside of the housing, but it must be coming from somewhere along that seam.

Another way that this could spring a leak is if it froze. There would be a rather large cross section of water to act against the casting. I would expect it to crack along the top or bottom edge, but expanding ice expands equally in all directions and it can be difficult for a non-engineer to judge where the weak point will be. I do not see evidence of freeze damage in this casting -- it's usually easy to spot.

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This casting (teal in the drawing above) is available from my dealer, about $82. Add in the two gaskets, four o-rings, and the crooked hose, and I should be able to do the whole repair for under $120 and a bunch of bolts -- if the bolts don't snap off.


[later]
Bad news. Joe@tacomanissan had said everything was available, and I told him to order it all. Today, he calls me back, says the crooked hose is available, and the two gaskets, but the o-rings and the housing aren't.

[later]
I called my "local" forklift place, and they were very helpful. It seems that the oil cooler assy. for the forklifts looks (on paper) quite a bit like the one for the trucks, though not identical. And the forklift one comes in two flavours, one pre-'80, one '80-on. They faxed me the exploded view of the later one, and the housing casting is different, but looks like it would bolt on with shorter bolts. And it's still available (the assy, not the casting alone) -- five of them in Illinois . . . for $388 each!

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My oil cooler's construction matches the dealer's diagram (2nd pic from the top). Notice that the casting (ref. No. 3 in the forklift diagram) is open on both sides on the dealer's diagram, closed on the outer surface on the forklift's. The forklift version bolts the oil cooler itself (No. 2) to the closed end, via gasket No. 4 and three studs, nuts, washers.

Mine, OTOH, mounts the oil cooler directly to the steel outside cover, which bolts on to the casting and seals with two gaskets No. 7 (the forklift's needs only one gasket No. 7, it does not have an "outside" cover).

Forklift casting No. 3 is NLA separately, and even if it were, it would do me no good, as I'd have to also have an oil cooler No. 2, gasket No. 4 and three nuts/washers to mount it to the inside of casting No. 3 .

[later]
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The leak is definitely at the casting seam. I took the heat exchanger off, cleaned it up, took it to our local weld-it shop, they expressed high confidence in making it water-tight again. I asked the welder to fill over both inside and outside seams all along that side of the casting.

Bolts: one of eight snapped off. Penetrant didn't help, but amazingly I didn't need to use the heat wrench. I used a Blue-Point 5/16" stud extractor and it screwed right out. Surprised the heck out of me. This style of extractor uses three or four sprag-rollers to lock onto the remains of the bolt/stud. WFM!

The big gaskets will arrive Monday, the 10.9 hardness replacement bolts arrived on Friday, and when the welder has completed waving his magic wand over the casting, muttering the appropriate spell(s), I'll start putting it back together.

I have arranged to use a lapping table tomorrow to check flatness of the welded part once I get it back, and if I've got more than about .005" warpage (welder thought that I might not, he's using TIG), I'll have it flattened by the local machine shop. I'm not equipped with a flat-enough table to even check a casting this size (I've got a real straightedge for checking solid castings, but it's nearly useless for hollow castings).

[end of story]
I had a good deal of trouble sourcing the correct o-rings, but after that hurdle, it all went back together easily, and has been running for 15 months without incident.
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1983 Maxima diesel wagon, 199k miles, rusty, light yellow/light brown. SOLD 14Jul07
1981 720 SD22 (scrapped 04Sep07)
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On the o-rings: In order to get what I wanted, I ended up buying a bag of two sizes by accident -- I had to make a minimum order. So I have something like (80) o-rings in two thicknesses for the SD coolers. I ran across them today again.

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As indicated by the part number, they are both Viton 75 material.

The -119 is
15/16" ID x 1-1/8" OD x 3/32" cross section nominal.

The -212 is
7/8" ID x 1-1/8" OD x 1/8" cross section nominal.

(the sizing chart is on the right side of this page.)

One of these sizes fit the oil cooler pretty well, IIRC. Since the o-rings are not available from Nissan anymore, I offer some of these to anyone who will verify which size works ;) Free. You pay shipping.
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Al S.

1982 Maxima diesel wagon, 2nd & 4th owner, 165k miles, rusty & burgundy/grey. Purchased 1996, SOLD 16Feb10
1983 Maxima diesel wagon, 199k miles, rusty, light yellow/light brown. SOLD 14Jul07
1981 720 SD22 (scrapped 04Sep07)
1983 Sentra CD17, 255k, bought 06Jul08, gave it away 22Jun10.
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asavage wrote:-SNIP- As indicated by the part number, they are both Viton 75 material.

The -119 is
15/16" ID x 1-1/8" OD x 3/32" cross section nominal.

The -212 is
7/8" ID x 1-1/8" OD x 1/8" cross section nominal.

One of these sizes fit the oil cooler pretty well, IIRC.
Ok ... are these o-rings to fit between the cooler/plate (yellow shown, cooler behind not shown) or are for the o-rings (4 red shown) "oil pipe"?

Also ... how do you get the stainless radiator separated the (yellow) "plate"? I have an extra steel radiator/plate (stuck together) and the aluminum house + bolts.
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I want a couple of each. I'll send you some $$ via Paypal to cover "shipping" and a tip. :wink:
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My o-rings are for the oil pipe (the rings shown in red).

I can't advise you on removing the "radiator" from the aluminum housing; the usual methods should apply.

I will send you four of each size; your job is to tell me which size fits better.
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Al S.

1982 Maxima diesel wagon, 2nd & 4th owner, 165k miles, rusty & burgundy/grey. Purchased 1996, SOLD 16Feb10
1983 Maxima diesel wagon, 199k miles, rusty, light yellow/light brown. SOLD 14Jul07
1981 720 SD22 (scrapped 04Sep07)
1983 Sentra CD17, 255k, bought 06Jul08, gave it away 22Jun10.
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Al,

I have my oil cooler in separate pieces and would be glad to see which size fits. Thanks for getting a few extra :lol: . Let me know what I need to do on the shipping.

Kevin
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93 Dodge D250 5.9L cummins 111K
92 Honda 1500 GW SE 30K
82 Datsun 720 KC SD22 228K
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TDI_Joe wrote:Al,
I have my oil cooler in separate pieces and would be glad to see which size fits.
Kevin
Al is offering o-rings for the OIL PIPE ... that fits to the "Oil Cooler" and to the "Oil Filter Bracket". Scroll back a couple of posts for the "red o-rings.

So far ... I have found NO o-rings listing the 'cooler' to its 'base' plate.
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Al is offering o-rings for the OIL PIPE ... that fits to the "Oil Cooler" and to the "Oil Filter Bracket". Scroll back a couple of posts for the "red o-rings.
Sorry, I was not clear.
I have the oil tube and the oil cooler disassembled. I can check to see which O rings fit the oil tube. This would save me from having to source the O-rings as I will need to replace them when I re-assemble.
So far ... I have found NO o-rings listing the cooler to its base plate.
There are no O-rings used in the oil cooler assembly just the four O-rings on the oil tube.

Kevin
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Al,

I received the O-rings and have made a size check. Looks like V75-212 is the best fit.
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Thanks for the check, Kevin. I've printed out the appropriate pic and put it in the zip-lock baggie with the V75-212s, so I know which are the ones to use next time.

I have (21) left.
Regards,
Al S.

1982 Maxima diesel wagon, 2nd & 4th owner, 165k miles, rusty & burgundy/grey. Purchased 1996, SOLD 16Feb10
1983 Maxima diesel wagon, 199k miles, rusty, light yellow/light brown. SOLD 14Jul07
1981 720 SD22 (scrapped 04Sep07)
1983 Sentra CD17, 255k, bought 06Jul08, gave it away 22Jun10.
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