* SD22 GLOW PLUG EXPERIENCE *

SD diesels were widely available in the US in the 1981-86 Datsun/Nissan 720 pickups, and in Canada through '87 in the D21 pickup.

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* SD22 GLOW PLUG EXPERIENCE *

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The Glow Plug Wait: This waiting period is a moment of silence to pay honor to Rudolph Diesel. The longer you own your diesel the more honor you will give him". -SD Blue


Awhile back, I decided to address a cold start condition. The symptom was the engine would start up ok on 3 cylinders with one cylinder just lazy / late in firing off ... say 5-10 seconds later. Not as apparent when the overnight temperatures were mild but this was Fall with cooler nights becoming more prevalent.

Tested while still installed, all glow plugs had comparable resistance. Hmmm. Ok, I decided to remove them from the engine to bench test and observe their operation. The #3 glow was a little difficult to withdraw from the head. It unscrewed but could not be withdrawn without using pliers. I finally got it out. No wonder ... the end had blown off! Interesting too is that #3 glow was the only one that still had some factory green paint on it while the others have been replaced but long long ago.

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The adjacent glow plug is one of the other three that came out normally.

The interesting thing I found is that the non-operating glow still had specification resistance which I can only attribute to conductive carbon being packed up inside the glow plug housing.

Bench testing revealed two ways to verify actual performance. Using a power source like a car battery with an ammeter or (as I did) a 20 amp battery charger with an ammeter, you can ...

1) visualize actual glow performance
2) observe the amperage draw change as the glow plug achieves maximum temperature.

So if you don't want to pull each plug, then test them individually (remove the connector harnass) and use a power source with an ammeter.

Testing the glows individually, typical initial amperage draw in the first 2 seconds is 18 amps ... which falls to 5-7 amps in the span of 12-15 seconds.

While researching an answer to another thread, I put my voltmeter to the #1 glow plug terminal and turn ON the ignition.

Voltage jumped to 8.8v ... and over the next 10 seconds rose to 10v. The voltage rise reflects increasing resistance as the glows reach maximum temperature.

Voltage drop across the single blade/spade connector for the glows while in operation was 0.06v .

Upon completion of one glow cycle, the white/red wire from the duty relay to the glows connector exhibits a little warmth. So ... there must be some resistance along that wire when carrying (briefly) 60-70 amps ... tapering quickly to 25 amps (thereabouts) for the remaining preglow time. Of course the glows themselves further the voltage loss because of their amperage flow.]

Here are the values I just measured during the 30 seconds the glows are ON:

Key OFF, volts across battery terms = 12.2v
Key ON, voltage at #1 glow starts 8.8v and stabilizes at 10v
Key ON, #1 glow voltage stabilized, volts across battery terms = 11.8

(Next morning ... more diagnosing the missing 1.8 volts)

Key OFF, volts across battery terms = 12.2
Key ON, duty relay ON, Glow plugs connected, measurement from battery +post to duty relay power terminal = 0.6v
Key ON, duty relay ON, Glow plugs connected, measurement across heavy current terminals = 0.05v
Key ON, volts across White/red wire from duty relay output terminal to glow plug bus connector = 0.6v .
Key ON, volts across glow plug wire from glow plug bus connector to #1 glow plug = 0.2

Neither heavy current connectors showed significant voltage loss.

My battery is a group 27F (big for the tray) 725 CCA@0*.

Looks like we've found at least 1.4volts. The best bang for the buck is doing a parallel connection (Al mentions LD28 solution ) from the glow plug bus connector to the duty relay. This IS the same wire that warms after two GP cyclings.

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The SD22 has a single stage AutoAfterGlow system managing 12v current to the glow plugs, identified as the "Type 1" system.
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(The SD25 has a two step voltage system (AutoAfter Glow Type-II) which necessitates a different spec glow plug having a much shorter warm-up time, two relays, a dropping resistor, and a different AutoAfterGlow timer having two stages and a shorter ON time period)

For 12volt glow plugs fitting the SD22 ("Quick-Start" type Y-112TS)
(NGK as of Oct 7, 06) NGK chart for SD22

Pick-Up 720 Oct 1979 - Jan 1982 4cyl 2.2-liter SD22 Y-112TS

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(900ºC = 1650ºF)

"Quick-start type" glow plugs are one type of sheathed glow plug that have a heating curve whose resistance changes with the temperature. The resistance is initially low so that plenty of current flows through the heating curve. The temperature increases faster than in standard plugs – and as a result the preheating time reduces.

"Quick-start type" are used in the SD22 type I system. These glows take about 10-15 seconds to reach peak temperature.

SAGE ADVICE from Al ...

If you are removing a glow plug, and it turns with reasonable torque for a turn or two, but then becomes hard to turn, STOP. Remove that cylinder's injector, bring that cylinder's piston to TDC, then remove the GP.

Chances are that the tip of the GP will break off and fall into the prechamber (and then the GP will turn easily again). If the piston is at TDC, the broken-off tip can't fall out of the prechamber and into the main cylinder.

With the injector and GP removed, you can now use compressed air or a magnet (in the GP's hole) to remove the tip out the injector hole, thus avoiding the need to remove the whole damned head.

Don't think you can just start the engine and "blow it out the tailpipe" because severe engine damage can and has been done trying to use that method.
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[Back in Aug-2004 I posted this in another venue, about my first 1982 720 KC w/SD22. This is the "older" GP system, with tolerant GPs that can stand to be left on a while.]

On cold starts, it comes up on two or three cylinders, and after about 10 secs it'll settle down and idle very smoothly on all four. It smokes quite badly those first 10 secs -- my impression is that I'm looking at unburned fuel.

I pulled the feed wires off the glow plugs and used a test light to check the glow plugs individually, and they all draw current (at least enough to light a 2W bulb in series). I don't trust a simple test lamp for checking this kind of thing though . . .

[later]I just put a 0-200 clamp-on ammeter on the feed lead to the glow plug chain and jumpered the relay. It registered about 42A, tapering to a steady 27A after ten seconds. Referring to Phillip's friend's reading of 30A in a similar situation, I'd say that all my glow plugs are pulling pretty well as a group.

[later]Two of them had been replaced (are NGK), two are older, and one looks like this. There's not supposed to be that hole in the end, is there?
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The other old one is merely blistered on the tip. I haven't tested that one, I just bought two replacements.

So, today, I got out the clamp-on 0-200 ammeter again and checked the two newer ones. On an individual GP, inrush current is almost 30A, perhaps even higher, but if you wait long enough (I counted to fifteen) they both settled down to 7.5A (+-0.3A). Glowing mightily.

This implies that the "pass" value of the system test (ie four GPs in an SD22) is 30A minimum after 15 seconds on.
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1982 Maxima diesel wagon, 2nd & 4th owner, 165k miles, rusty & burgundy/grey. Purchased 1996, SOLD 16Feb10
1983 Maxima diesel wagon, 199k miles, rusty, light yellow/light brown. SOLD 14Jul07
1981 720 SD22 (scrapped 04Sep07)
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What is the Reach of SD 22 Glowplugs?
If anyone has this information on hand, I'd love to not pull a glowplug to find out.

The threads are 10mm correct?


I have cured my rough running after a cold start with a momentary on switch which energizes the GP relay. When used after startup for 10-15 sec. (I know the AGTimer does something like this, mine's boken), my truck runs smooth and smoke free. Yay! No more neighborhood smoke show. Mornings like this (33*F) were kinda embarassing before.

I've got a line locally on a Mercedes setup. If all the parts come together, I will report on how it works in a week or two.
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Re: What is the Reach of SD 22 Glowplugs?

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moose60 wrote:ps. threads are 10mm correct?
Correct (see last half of this post).
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Al S.

1982 Maxima diesel wagon, 2nd & 4th owner, 165k miles, rusty & burgundy/grey. Purchased 1996, SOLD 16Feb10
1983 Maxima diesel wagon, 199k miles, rusty, light yellow/light brown. SOLD 14Jul07
1981 720 SD22 (scrapped 04Sep07)
1983 Sentra CD17, 255k, bought 06Jul08, gave it away 22Jun10.
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