Champ PH561 Oil Filter. Thread engagement discovery

[philip]

It just occured to me that the length of the steel threaded pipe in the aluminum oil filter "bracket" may not be uniformly deep. All the problem might not be with the filters.

OH come on. You can do better. What "problem" has EVER blown off oil filters on SD22's? Show us your pictures.

[Knucklehead]

Didn't say I'd ever seen such a thing. Just that everyone is comparing all these filters and millimeters of spacing and the results seem a bit inconsistent.

[philip]

Item#: FIL1512
Price: $7.49

Attributes:
Features & Benefits:T-03 Glass Enhanced Media - Best Efficiency + Capacity In Industry; Steel Coil Spring; Spiral Wound Center Tube for Industry Leading Strength
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Height (Inches):5.842
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Thread Size (inches):3/4-16Gasket O.D. (Inches):2.734
Gasket O.D. (mm):69.44mm
Gasket I.D. (Inches):2.43
Gasket I.D. (mm):61.72mm


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Price: $5.99

Attributes:
Features & Benefits:T-03 Glass Enhanced Media - Best Efficiency + Capacity In Industry; Steel Coil Spring; Spiral Wound Center Tube for Industry Leading Strength
Features & Benefits - 2:Silicon Anti-Drain Back Valve - Industry Leading Life
Features & Benefits - 3:Holds 45% More Dirt
Last 30% Longer Than Other Leading Brands
Style:Spin-On Lube Filter
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The reason I have used the shorter height filter is ... to access the Smoke Screw when there is also an Air Compensator in the way.

[ocd]

the jobber i work for is also a valvoline dealer. i've used their filters for other of my rigs but not for the datsun. when i looked at the recomended VO-15 it didn't have the visible orange anti drainback valve. looking in their filter guide i found that champion makes valvoline filters too. calling the filter hotline 1-800-882-0890 didn't help much for specs or other filters that would fit my application but i did find out that the anti drainback and psi relief valve are a combined unit. wandering around the warehouse i found VO-25 looked very similar in diameter and thread size but shorter case so i brought it home and put it on and it fit and sealed just fine. -havn't fired her up yet though...

what are your thoughts on remote mount filters. i really like the idea of having oil in the filter. and the possibility of not making a mess when changing filters.

[asavage]

On an SD, when I remove a Wix (or NAPA "Gold", not "Select" or "Nascar"), that has the silicone (orange) ADB seal, on a cold engine I get almost no oil mess. On the SD, there's a little but it's nothing like the mess on the LD28, which is quite a mess even with a good filter.

Personally, my plan (for several years now) is to go with a remote bypass filtration unit and never change the main full-flow filter. I've the parts but not the time. That plan also includes never changing the oil again too (AMSOil + bypass filtration = no oil change, just top-off when changing out the bypass filter every 3-4k miles).

[ocd]

that sounds like a great plan! do you happen to have pictures of the remote mounting setup? i've never seen one.

how would you suggest getting oil pressure up on an sd22, that has sat about a year, before firing? it doesn't look like there is a way to access the oil pump drive gear with out spilling oil all over. how about cranking it over for a bit with the fuel shut off via the pump controller and the glows off?

[asavage]

that sounds like a great plan! do you happen to have pictures of the remote mounting setup? i've never seen one.

I have three of them: one I bought new (from Ralph Wood (VinWood Enterprises) (site seems to be down at the moment), one from eBay a couple years back, and one I bought recently at a swap meet.

The Motor Guard is a "toilet paper" type bypass filtration unit. You can buy commercial filters for them, but off-the-shelf TP is better and cheaper, IMO.

I don't have any pics of my units, but here's one installed in a MB 300D:


The Motor Guard is no longer sold by MG as an oil filter, but is still sold as an excellent air filter for compressed air.

Ralph has been selling and installing bypass oil filters since the 60's. He's run them all. He modifies the current, new MG-30 to work better for motor oil. He provides the filter, hose, some fittings, an external orifice if you need one, sandwich adapter, etc. He can be reached on the phone (I know, I've called him).

I also have a whole bunch of the older Franz units.


They do the same thing as the MG-30, but are perhaps not quite as easy to use or quite as well built. Opinions vary. I didn't find the Franz hard to change the filter on, but I plan ahead before cracking the seal too.

The Franz and Motor Guard are about the size of a roll of TP and a suitcase to put it in.

AMSOil has a very nice remote full/bypass filter kit that is terribly easy to install. It remotes both the full-flow and a spin-on bypass filter. Very well made, and just redesigned to fix a couple of nagging issues that had affected a few customers over the years.



And in the realm of non-TP bypass filters, member TooManyIdeas installed an FS2500 bypass filter into his SD22 720.

Other threads that mention bypass filtration on this board: Mobil 1 oil filters, more filter stuff.

Really, bypass oil filtration is a well-discussed topic and it's all been said too well in other places, so I'll just advise you to Google for more info.

how would you suggest getting oil pressure up on an sd22, that has sat about a year, before firing? it doesn't look like there is a way to access the oil pump drive gear with out spilling oil all over. how about cranking it over for a bit with the fuel shut off via the pump controller and the glows off?

If you were really anal, you could pull the GPs and squirt some lube in the GP holes, then crank it over for ten seconds or so. That would be better than just having the crank pressure lube up.

[asavage]

Looking at an SD block here, you might be able to remove the oil cooler from the block, remove the top adapter/bearing/gear drive for the oil pump shaft, and come up with a way to drive the oil pump via a drill motor and section of hex rod.

But I don't think I'd go to the trouble.

[ocd]

If you were really anal, you could pull the GPs and squirt some lube in the GP holes, then crank it over for ten seconds or so. That would be better than just having the crank pressure lube up.

ooh -i like that. it'll give me an excuse to look at the GPs and clean and De-Ox all the connections.

Looking at an SD block here, you might be able to remove the oil cooler from the block, remove the top adapter/bearing/gear drive for the oil pump shaft, and come up with a way to drive the oil pump via a drill motor and section of hex rod.

is there strait inline access or would i have to find some right angle drive? and wouldn't i have to handle the oil that would normally be pumped through the cooler?

thanks

[asavage]

It looks like it would be straight access, and yes you're correct, there would be a problem with the oil cooler casting being off at the time you're trying to pump oil through it

[Nissan_Ranger]

While you've got the glowplugs out, you can roll it over until the oil pressure comes up... It will sound dramatic, but there will be little pressure (stress) on rings and bearings...

N_R